No kidding.
- Los Angeles Bishop: Bad Behavior; Bad Example
- Different Rules for Special People?
- Catholics Sank the Titanic?
1. Los Angeles Bishop: Bad Behavior; Bad Example
"Pope accepts resignation of LA bishop who fathered two children"The Vatican's reputation as a house of ill repute seems to come from some historical incidents - and America's solidly anti-Catholic cultural heritage. There really were stories about Popes who behaved badly. Some of them were true. Considering that we've had 266 Popes so far, that shouldn't be surprising. All priests and bishops are human beings; we're a fallen race, dealing with original sin; and that's another topic.
Marianne Medlin, CNA (Catholic Network Agency) (January 4, 2012)
"Pope Benedict publicly accepted the resignation of Los Angeles auxiliary Bishop Gabino Zavala on Jan. 4, after the bishop admitted to fathering two children.
"Archbishop Jose H. Gomez called the news 'sad and difficult' in a Jan. 4 letter to the faithful, explaining that Bishop Zavala informed him in early December that he is of the father of two teenage minor children who live in another state with their mother.
"Since 60-year-old Bishop Zavala submitted his resignation to the Pope, he 'has not been in ministry and will be living privately,' Archbishop Gomez said. Bishop Zavala oversaw the San Gabriel Pastoral Region, which is one of five in the archdiocese...."
Here's some background:
"...[people born out of wedlock] were then, sometimes, debarred from ordination, but only because of a real or supposed depravity of life. Pope Urban II (1088-99) prohibited the ordination of the illegitimate offspring of clerics, unless they became members of approved religious orders. The Council of Poitiers, under Paschal II (1099-1118), extended this prohibition to all persons of illegitimate birth. These regulations were later approved by other popes and councils...."Maybe those decrees by the Council of Trent (December 3, 1545 - December 4, 1563) decrees about children of priests and bishops seems harsh. As the Catholic Encyclopedia article points out, it's not a punishment for someone born out of wedlock. On strictly practical grounds, it prohibited priests and bishops from starting a sort of personal dynasty within the Church. Another point: that "defect of birth" is, if anything, a criticism of the unmarried parents. And that's yet another topic.
"...the Council of Trent (Sess. 25, c. 15 de ref.) Decreed that the illegitimate children of clerics should be incapacitated from obtaining any kind of a benefice in the Church where their fathers held one; from rendering any service in said church; and from receiving any pensions on the revenues of the paternal benefice. This law is not established and laid down as a punishment for the person to whom it is applied. It safeguards the honour and dignity of Holy orders...."
("The Defect of Birth (illegitimacy)," The Catholic Encyclopedia, via NewAdvent.org (1907))
Popes with one or more illegitimate children:
- Pius II
(Pope 1458-64)- Two
- Before receiving Holy Orders
- Innocent VIII
(Pope 1484-92)- Two
- During a "a licentious youth"
- Before receiving Holy Orders
- Alexander VI
(Pope 1492-1503)- At least one
- Before becoming Pope
- Married his illegitimate daughter to Alfonso I d'Este
- She's better known as Lucrezia Borgia
- Did I miss some of the misbehaving Popes?
- Quite possibly
- Is their misbehavior okay?
- No
- Does it shake my faith?
- No
Do the actions of the Borgia Pope and a bishop in Los Angeles mean that the Catholic Church is always doing bad things? I don't think so, but not everybody shares my view:
2. Different Rules for Special People?
Yes, I know about the pedophile priests. Here's more of the same:"SNAP refuses to obey court order for abuse documents"And there you have it: Catholic dioceses are "organizations that enable and conceal thousands of pedophiles to rape tens of thousands of kids."
Michelle Bauman, CNA (Catholic Network Agency) (January 4, 2012)
"A group claiming to advocate for clergy sex abuse victims says it will not comply with a court order asking it to turn over documents, amid concerns that it had received information in violation of a judge's gag order.
"The Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, known as SNAP, has said that it will refuse to submit to a judge's request for information involving allegations of sexual abuse against a Missouri priest.
"SNAP director David Clohessy told CNA on Jan. 3 that his organization should be held to a 'different standard' of transparency than Church leaders and dioceses, which he described as 'organizations that enable and conceal thousands of pedophiles to rape tens of thousands of kids.'..."
Since SNAP are the 'good guys' and the Catholic Church are the 'bad guys' - from SNAP's point of view - it makes sense that 'good guys' shouldn't have to follow the rules. Again, from SNAP's point of view.
Moving on.
3. Catholics Sank the Titanic?
I am not making this up. According to a memo being processed by Minnesota courts, the Catholic Church was behind:- The slave trade
- The sinking of the Titanic
- World War II
- The Holocaust
- U.S. involvement in the war in Vietnam
Maybe that's part of the appeal of conspiracy theories: lack of evidence is 'proof' that the conspiracy exists, since 'they' must have destroyed the evidence. You can't argue with logic like that.
I suppose it's no surprise that a "Catholic Knight Witch Hunter" ordered the arrest of one of the attorneys involved:
"Judge orders Minnesota attorney arrested for slurs"Bankruptcy, or anything to do with failing finances, is likely to be stressful for those involved. I've posted about emotions, reason, and how our brains are wired before:
Steve Karnowski, Associated Press, via Chicago Tribune (January 4, 2011)
"A judge ordered the arrest of a Minnesota attorney with a small Wisconsin-based religious group who repeatedly made anti-Catholic slurs in court filings and failed to show up for a Wednesday hearing on whether she should be sanctioned for her statements.
"U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Nancy Dreher held Naomi Isaacson in contempt for her absence. Isaacson was already in contempt for failing to turn over documents in a long-running bankruptcy case involving a subsidiary of the Shawano, Wis.-based group, the Dr. R.C. Samanta Roy Institute of Science and Technology. Dreher said Isaacson will remain jailed until she produces the documents or gets someone else to do it...."
- " 'Religious People aren't Reasonable?' "
(December 18, 2011) - "Reason, Emotion, and 'Take These Son-of-a-Bitches Out' "
(September 6, 2011) - "Emotions, the Frontal Cortex, the War on Terror, Anarchists, and the Illuminati"
Another War-on-Terror Blog (December 23, 2008)
Bankruptcy, Bias, and - Conspiracy?
Bottom line, emotions and reason don't play well together. That's why I think the judge's decision to wait until folks cooled down was reasonable. But I'm getting ahead of the story:"...Dreher had ordered them to appear Wednesday to show cause why she should not sanction them for a memo they filed in November that the judge said was 'replete with unsupported and outrageous allegations of bigotry, deceit, conspiracy and scandalous statements against this court ... and bankruptcy courts in general.'I think it's possible for a judge, or anyone else, to be biased against some ethnic or religious group. But that doesn't mean that every judge trying a case involving someone from another ethnic group is a bigot. I've posted about over-generalization before.
"The memo repeatedly referred to 'Nancy Dreher, the Catholic judge' and called her a 'black-robed bigot' and 'a Catholic Knight Witch Hunter.' It also called one trustee in the bankruptcy case a 'Jesuitess' and another trustee a 'priest's boy' and accused them of conspiring against the group, known as SIST.
"Ex-members describe the group, which is led by an Indian immigrant who goes by the name Avraham Cohen, as a cult. Its bankrupt subsidiary, Yehud-Monosson USA Inc., used to own gas stations and convenience stores...."
(Chicago Tribune)
"Catholic Beasts," "the Sword of the Church," and 'the Good Old Days'
In a way, the memo in question reminds me of 'the good old days' of anti-communist goofiness, and the radio preachers of my youth:"...'Across the country the court systems and particularly the Bankruptcy Court in Minnesota, are composed of a bunch of ignoramus, bigoted Catholic beasts that carry the sword of the church,' the memo said."White Supremacy?" Given what these folks believe, that actually makes sense:
"Dreher was indignant as she read aloud from that document and from the replies Isaacson and Nett filed last month in response to her threat of sanctions.
"Isaacson, who identifies herself as chief executive of SIST and president of Yehud-Monosson, wrote that the attorneys weren't calling Dreher a member of the Roman Catholic Church when they called her a Catholic judge.
" 'It is referring to a mentality and an adherence to a universal creed of White Supremacy,' she wrote...."
(Chicago Tribune)
"...The response from Nett, who represents Yehud-Monosson, took a similar tone, alleging that Catholics and the Jesuit order were behind the slave trade, the sinking of the Titanic, World War II, the Holocaust and U.S. involvement in the war in Vietnam...."
(Chicago Tribune)
'I am Not Now, Nor Have I Ever Been, a Catholic?'
I remember the 'good old days' when America was flushing McCarthyism out of its system. The often-spoofed "I am not now, nor have I ever been - - - " is an echo of a Congressional committee's all-too-familiar question: "Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party of the United States?"That's one reason I'm glad 'the good old days' aren't coming back, and that's almost another topic. On the other hand, swap out some other term for "communist party," and this response looks rather familiar:
"...[judge] Dreher wrote in an order last month that she has never been Catholic and is 'not of any particular faith.' She said Wednesday in court that her religious views are not relevant to the case.I think Nett may be overly-optimistic about this being "a one-of-a-kind case."
"The judge did not order Nett jailed, though she said Nett had made no effort to determine whether any of the accusations made against her or other court officials were accurate. And she pointedly noted that Nett had not apologized in writing or during her oral remarks in court.
" 'Sometimes that is really important,' Dreher said.
"Nett told her the November document was an 'emotional outburst' written by Isaacson and she 'wasn't trying to condone that' when she filed it on behalf of the company. She argued against disciplinary action, saying sanctions are meant to prevent a repeat of similar actions in the future.
" 'This is a one-of-a-kind case, and I don't see this happening again ever,' she said...."
(Chicago Tribune)
"Army of Oppression" and All That
The notion that the Catholic Church runs governments or industries, and is responsible for all that is icky, is fairly common. Take the crackpot-Protestant elements out, and you've got something that's pretty close to political correctness. I've been over this before:- " 'Tolerance' isn't Always Tolerant"
(December 7, 2010) - " 'Army of Oppression,' Unmentionables, and Being Catholic in America"
(August 17, 2010) - "Obama's Harry Knox: My Tax Dollars at Work"
(April 9, 2009)
Conspiracy Theories and the Archivum Secretum Vaticanum - Online
Sincere, intense, anti-Catholic views are part of American culture. I suspect that as long as human beings are the way we are now, some folks will probably believe that 'Jesuit Ruling Priests of Baal,' or some other 'conspiracy,' are behind whatever they don't like.I think today's information technology, and so many folks having access to so much information, makes it harder to paint the Catholic Church as some mysterious menace.
Between the Vatican's Archivum Secretum Vaticanum (Secret Archives) having its own website (asv.vatican.va), broadcasts in Radio Vaticana's 38 languages, and folks having direct access to many Catholic documents online - someone who is seriously curious about the Church can learn quite a great deal.
Granted, not all documents archived at the Vatican are in a searchable database: yet. We've been around for about two millennia, with a written tradition that goes back to around the time writing was invented: and the Internet is no more than a few decades old.
Give us time, though - - - and that's still more topics.
Fulton Sheen, on Hating the Catholic Church
"There are not a hundred people in America who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions of people who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church - which is, of course, quite a different thing."Related posts:
(Bishop Fulton Sheen, Foreword to Radio Replies Vol. 1, (1938) page ix, via Wikiquote)
- Sex
- "Same-Sex Attraction, 'the Devil Made Me Do It,' and Getting a Grip"
(November 4, 2011) - "Sex, Science, and the Home Schooling Parent"
(September 17, 2011) - "Hippies, Prudes, Catholics, and Sex"
(August 30, 2011) - "Sex Isn't a Product for Consumption?"
(June 8, 2011) - "Is Celibacy Healthy? Actually, Yes"
(April 14, 2010)
- "Same-Sex Attraction, 'the Devil Made Me Do It,' and Getting a Grip"
- 'PEDOPHILE PRIESTS!!!!'
- "My Take on the News: Saints; Standard-Issue Clueless Journalism; and Saint Michael, Action Figure"
(December 23, 2011)
Particularly - "Return of the Pedophile Priests Rides Again: The Sequel"
(November 18, 2011) - "Parish Priest: Loud Accusation, Quiet Exoneration"
(May 7, 2011) - "Pedophile Priests! - or - My Mind is Made Up, Don't Confuse Me With the Facts"
(April 11, 2010) - "Cultural Chaos, Divisiveness, and CNN"
(April 1, 2010)- Ever wonder why sane people don't seem to support the Catholic Church?
- "My Take on the News: Saints; Standard-Issue Clueless Journalism; and Saint Michael, Action Figure"
- Bias
- "Lie and Hype for a Good Cause?!"
(November 28, 2011) - "Space Aliens, Michele Bachmann, and Daft Assumptions"
(September 2, 2011) - "New York Archbishop: No More Mr. Nice Guy?"
(October 23, 2010) - "'Death Cookie' Comic: Seemed Like a Good Idea At the Time?"
(March 5, 2010) - " 'Catholics and Muslims along with the fake Jews all are Satanic Cults' - Who Knew?"
(April 2, 2009)
- "Lie and Hype for a Good Cause?!"
- Conspiracy theories
- "How to Not Sound Crazy - or - THE PARANOIDS ARE AFTER ME!!!"
Apathetic Lemming of the North (June 12, 2011)
My micro-review of- "Tips for Not Appearing Crazy on the Internet"
Frank J. Fleming, Pajamas Media (June 12, 2011)
- "Tips for Not Appearing Crazy on the Internet"
- "Nuclear Weapons, Space Aliens, Conspiracy Theories, and Getting a Grip"
Apathetic Lemming of the North (September 24, 2010) - "Haiti's Earthquake Caused by - You Guessed it - Yankee Imperialists"
Apathetic Lemming of the North (January 21, 2010) - "Greedy Rich People and an 'Organized Campaign to Suppress the Truth' - Who Knew?"
Another War-on-Terror Blog (April 5, 2009) - "Lebanon, Israel, Pakistan, India, and the Lizard People"
Another War-on-Terror Blog (January 14, 2009)
Particularly
- "How to Not Sound Crazy - or - THE PARANOIDS ARE AFTER ME!!!"
Background:
- Sexuality
- Is part of human nature
- Catechism, 2331-2336
- "Educational Guidance in Human Love"
Outlines for sex education
Sacred Congregation for Catholic Education, William Cardinal Baum (November 1, 1983) - And as such is
- Good
- Catechism, 2331-2332 Genesis 1:27, 31
- Special
- Catechism, 2348-2350
- "The Truth and Meaning of Human Sexuality"
Guidelines for Education within the Family
The Pontifical Council for the Family, Alfonso Card. López Trujillo, + Most Rev. Elio Sgreccia (December 8, 1995)
- Catechism, 2348-2350
- Good
- Rape is bad
- Catechism, 2356
- "Consultation on Humanitarian Issues"
Issues and Experience of the World Food Program
Monsignor Marchetto, Permanent Observer of the Holy See (March 16, 2000)- Yes, I know about the pedophile priests
- Is part of human nature
- Social Justice
- Catechism, 1928, 1943-1948
- "Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church"
Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace (June 26, 2006)
- Respect for the human person
- Catechism, 1929-1933
- "Instruction on respect for human life"
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Joseph Card. Ratznger, Alberto Bovone (February 22, 1987)
- Equality and differences among men
- Catechism, 1933-1938
- "Octogesima Adveniens"
Apostolic Letter of Pope Paul VI (may 14, 1971)
- Human solidarity
- Catechism, 1939-1942
- "Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church"
Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace (June 26, 2006)
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